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This week we are talking about some very messed up movies, should they exist, and where they exist within the world of cinema, art and more.
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Hey everyone, I just wanted to wanted to come on here before the show starts and give a quick heads up. This episode is going to be dealing with some really harsh and uncomfortable topics. Not just from our normal bad words that we say, but we're going to be talking about movies and the things that happen in these movies. And a lot of people may find that really upsetting or hard to listen to with their morning coffee on their way to work. Or you might like it, which would explain why you're listening to us, but regardless, if you don't want to listen to us this episode, no one is going to be upset, and next week it's going to be much more lighthearted and digestible. So this is going to serve as your trigger warning. From this point on, you're on your own. You've been warned.
SPEAKER_07Attack again.
SPEAKER_06This is your host, Thick Nick. I'm here with Andrew, like always. Say hello, Andrew. Hello, everyone. How are you today, sir? I'm I'm good. I'm about to not be.
SPEAKER_00That's fair.
SPEAKER_06So today we're I don't want to say we're taking a departure of what we normally do. But we're we're kind of going in a a unique direction. And I'll a hundred percent, man, this is not gonna be for everybody. We are about to talk about some shit that is it is the most fucked up of the fucked up for the most part. Um it it's it's more so about the subject matters that we're gonna be discussing that are gonna be upsetting. And I'm not gonna have the capacity to put timestamps for you to skip around. So if you don't wanna hear about certain things, this is probably not gonna be an episode for you. However, that's not the core of what we're doing this for. So, and we'll get into that in a second. But first, I gave Andrew a task. Um a pilgrimage, if you will. I gave him I gave him a list of 30 movies, and I said, you don't have to watch all of these, but familiarize yourself with them. And he did. He did. God damn, did he? And it it is he had some he had some words, but I'll I'll let him explain what uh what are some of the movies that I had you uh take a look at.
SPEAKER_01So I watched some stuff from a few of them, and then a good majority of them, because almost all of these I had not heard of, being completely honest. Um I went through Wikipedia and you know read through the plot summary, and a lot of them were, you know, real real thorough, explain kind of everything that happens throughout the film, and some of them just didn't exist at all, which was great. Um, thanks, Wikipedia. I mean, you're not wrong. But I out of the 30, I looked up Cannibal Holocaust uh excuse me if I pronounce this wrong, uh Sallow Um Irreversible The Human Centipede II Inside Um August Underground And Um called Regurgitated Sacrifice, and and and we gonna talk about that.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah. So there so in case you did not hear the warning at the beginning, uh, or don't understand what any of these movies have in common, but we are talking about extreme horror, things that go above and beyond any expectation of something anybody should be watching. But for me, it's more than that. Personally, I am not a fan of extreme horror. I don't get it. I don't think there's really anything to get. But everything here is kind of broken into a few different categories. You have New French extremism, which uh would be irreversible, uh high tension, uh Inside is also a French film. And I I will say that uh I what also I think on the list was Titan. Um also I believe is French. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. I don't watch extreme horror. I just was dumb when I was younger and was like, yeah, yeah, let's let's watch fucking August Underground, bro. Um but what I want to talk about here and and when I want to converse with Andrew is is why do these things exist? Why why in the human consciousness did a audience of people decide, hey, I want to make a really fucked up movie. Now, Solo, for example, is actually a book or a story at the very least, written by the Marquis de Sade. So and that motherfucker was he was the the prototype of Twisted. Like he was so ahead of the curve here. Um and there's there's other there's other movies that are on there that I don't feel are necessarily extreme horror. Uh two of the movies I included were films called Threads and Come and See. Both of these have to deal with the horror of wars, which in and of itself definitely could be considered a horror movie, but aren't marketed that way. Oh god, it was wet. So what I'm gonna and we'll we'll just kind of we'll we'll go into into this kind of hard. Um so Andrew, you touched on regorgitated sacrifice, and that is a movie by Lucifer Valentine. Um why why don't you kind of give us a a quick rundown?
SPEAKER_01There's not really much to say about this movie other than the fact that to be completely honest and transparent here, in order to watch it, I had to go to a porn website. I'm just gonna throw that out there. Thank God I was in incognito mode. But I excuse me, I pulled it up and I kind of, you know, skipped through every so often, just kind of looking at it because it was number one, it was really hard to watch. Okay, the the budget was half of a Baja Blast and a pack of camels. Like at one point, there's a uh a scene of there's this chick sitting on a couch, and there's another chick on the ground, not moving, just laid up, slumped over on the floor, and she's naked. And the camera zooms in, but it doesn't zoom in, the camera is attached to a fucking RC car that's going and slowly inching forward, and it's the most jarring shit. And then at some point, it goes into some weird bizarro dream sequence where these twins are basically having their way with this chick while disemboweling her. And apparently she's supposedly in hell and being tortured.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I don't know. I d I just I watched through the bits and pieces and was like, I want a snack. I need something else to do.
SPEAKER_06So that is part uh that's part two of the Vomit Gore trilogy by Lucifer Valentine. And the the synopsis states that it's a Canadian surrealist extreme horror. It is a Vomit Gore is as described as a new genre by Lucifer Valentine. It follows a nonlinear narrative that centers around teenage runaway Angela Aberdeen, a stripper suffering from bulimia. The trilogy focuses primarily on situations involving vomiting, cannibalism, graphic sexual violence, gore, torture, and murder. And all of these films were distributed by Unearthed Films. Now, that is something that is a common thread here. Unearthed, and no fault of their own. I mean, they're a production company. It's what they do is they produce things. So what do you do when somebody wants to produce some incredibly fucked up films that people are going to buy because they just can't not watch something fucked up, they make a shit ton of money. I have no issue with that. My issue I do have is that Lucifer Valentine uh is an abuser. The the woman that plays Angela, um she was violently abused by him. Uh and allegedly, she also was underage when they started a relationship. So, on top of Lucifer Valentine being a horrible piece of shit who has not a shred of talent in his body, he's also a pedophile abuser. So what a what a wonderful thing. And now I I will say this. I do not believe that just because you make something fucked up, it makes you a fucked up person. Um, but this is one of those cases where the apple did not fall far from the tree.
SPEAKER_01The apple didn't fall out of the tree at all. It's still in it.
SPEAKER_06Rotting. He also uh his his latest or last movie, which is a prequel, uh, is called Black Mass of the Nazi Sex Wizard. Came out in 2015. Uh, in case in case anybody needed to know that, if that's that's something you can add to your letterboxed account to be watched. But I don't want to be negative about things like this. There are good movies that are hard to watch. They're subject matter is subjective, right? That's kind of the whole thing. What is horrifying to me may not be horrifying to somebody else, as we've discussed previously. But things like threads and come and see, which are dealing with wars from the perspective of people that were affected by it. Come and see is uh deals with a Soviet conflict, threads deals with um from a British perspective. The issue is that the young man who plays the main character in Come and See uh was subjected to actual threats during the filming of this movie. Um there are several scenes in which he is fleeing Soviet soldiers, and you see very convincing bullets flying over him as he's running and hiding. So convincing that one would believe that those are actual tracer rounds that they were shooting over a child while they were filming. Yeah, yeah. Uh this was the only movie that young man was in. I wonder why. Yeah. Yeah, I don't I don't think they were doing that and when they were filming like Guardians of the Galaxy. But it's it's one of those things that it's it's fucked up, and the director knew what he was doing, and he did it anyway. And luckily he de the the kid never was hurt physically, but required copious amounts of therapy afterwards. Uh which understandable. The reason that I want to talk about any of this is why? Why does this exist? Should it exist? Should people be allowed to make things like vomit gore? Should they be allowed to make things like solo? Human centipede two. Terrifier even. Bias aside, is there a point where we have to put our foot down and say, this is no longer creating art, you are creating fictional abuse material for people who are unwell? You you are supplying the fuel to the people with rape fantasies. You are filling the fuel of people with homicidal fantasies. Is this something that people should be allowed to do?
SPEAKER_01It's difficult to say. Excuse me, I apologize. But you know there is that fine line between I'm creating art and I'm creating a how-to manual. Sure. Um I think there's a line on what should be shown in films and whatnot. Granted, I've seen some things in other movies that's like I don't want to watch that again. Talking about the long way. But like, for instance, one of the films on this list that I actually didn't mention in the beginning that I had watched. Or not watched, but I read the plot summary, is a Serbian film. What I went through on the plot summary. There's a lot to take in with that movie. It just about covers all the bases of things that are actually illegal in real life and punishable by life in prison and or death. And it's used as the primary subject matter for this movie. Now, I get it. It's fictional. Completely understand that. I'm not looking at this as, you know, oh, this really happened. This thing is real. No, it it's very obviously this was a movie. This was something that the person who directed this and created this film thought was an art piece. And again, I can see it from that perspective. But it that one specifically definitely crosses a line.
SPEAKER_06And at some point through the podcast, I will just go down the list. And the reality is most of these, at least 80% of them, are not good. And they're not even memorable. They only have a mem a memorable or a few memorable scenes. Most people cannot tell you what the plot of a Serbian film is. Most people cannot tell you what the plot of Salo is. Most people cannot tell you the plot of close your eyes and point to one of these movies. Unless you sit down and say, okay, uh, this is about a bulimic stripper who is murdered. Okay, I I now understand what we're doing here. One of the things that I feel really drives the point home here is when I had you look up August Underground, and then you sat here and you told me the that movie beat for beat from start to finish. And it is, when I say it is the definition of a fucking nothing burger, it is a number one combo with fries, an extra large drink, and a fucking cookie on the side. There is nothing that actually happens besides extreme violence recorded on a camcorder. That's it. And for me, I find it very difficult to justify trying to say things like this are art. I don't think that people should be allowed. I don't think that hold on. That's what I get for drinking the cum flavored monster. I don't think that art should be censored. Because if you start censoring, where do you stop? And even if I'm like, you know what? I think these movies are bullshit. I think the people that made them are fucking stupid. And and I would say it to their fucking face. I don't give a shit. And and this isn't a matter of, well, if if you think it's so dumb, make your own fucking movie. Well, I can tell you it would be a lot better than most of the shit on this list. But there are there's there's just a point where you know that you're not creating something because you have something to say. You know why you're making it, and you're making fetish material. You're making things strictly for people who want this extreme form of violence. And I get it, you know. Some days I just play Animal Crossing, other days I'm playing fucking Doom, right? Like you can like both. I like Terrifier, I I don't have a problem with it. I like I've said before, I think the first movie is meh, but two and three, I think they're great. Damien Leone, I think he's awesome, man. I I truly love these movies, but it's where you start trying to draw that line. When the first Terrifier movie came out, a lot of people were screaming about how it is violent towards women, and I absolutely can see that. I also can see where somebody said, Hey, you remember how over-the-top slasher movies were in the 80s, the movies that we all grew up on watching the maniacs, the street trash, the Friday the 13th, Halloween, just all the slasher shit, right? Here is the modern version of that. Because we are desensitized to things that we used to think were shocking. And I would never advocate for something like a Serbian film. And I think it's really lazy writing in any media where they use rape as a plot device or killing somebody in the most violent graphic way possible as a plot device.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I could think of another movie that uses rape as a plot device that I've seen, and I only got about halfway through it, and I was like, I don't want to watch this anymore.
SPEAKER_06What movie?
SPEAKER_01That was Last House on the Left.
SPEAKER_06Oh, yeah. Which one? The original or the remake?
SPEAKER_01I would assume it was the remake.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. The only thing that that movie gave was in the trailer, Trampled by Trees, did a cover of Sweet Child of Mine. And it's a fantastic cover. That is the only thing that's redeemable about that movie. There are a couple scenes that I'm like, oh yeah, dude, motherfucker gets his head in the microwave. But other than that, it's okay. If you're gonna watch Last House on the Left, watch the original. It's in my opinion, a much better movie. And I'm just being a little nitpicky on that. But I just I've I just don't get it. I I get making things that are violent or uncomfortable. It's important to do that. I truly believe that. There are rape revenge movies like the movie Revenge, where the main character is assaulted and it's done well, I hate to say done well, but it's done in a way where you now don't just dislike the antagonists, but you fucking hate them. And then for the rest of the movie, you watch this woman who was brutalized strategically and very violently take out each one of her attackers. And I love that. I love that. And there's a right way and a wrong way, I think, of doing it.
SPEAKER_00100%.
SPEAKER_06I don't think it's a matter of taste in this situation. I think more so that for me at least, if you are going to do something shocking, don't do it for the sake of being shocking. That's fucking lazy. Do it because you know that there's a reason. Tell the story you want to tell, convey the emotions you want to convey. But for the love of fucking God, man. Do we need another a Serbian film?
SPEAKER_01Like we didn't even need the first one. Let's let's be completely honest here.
SPEAKER_06And and and I'll I'll be 100% with you, man. I don't know why the writer and director made the movie. I've I have zero clue why. I don't know how the movie was made. I don't know why it was made. And I I can't say I and I don't care to, because if somebody wanted to sit down and say, actually, he did this because he is a fucking freak, or he did it because the censors in his country were da-da-da-da-da, whatever. Okay, that's fine. Everybody has their reason for doing whatever.
SPEAKER_00Right. But still doesn't work.
SPEAKER_06I think sure. There are a few scenes that, and I truly, truly believe this, there are a few scenes that if you took out of a Serbian film, you could make that into a movie that really looks into how damaging substance abuse the porn industry and how fucked up human beings can be. But it does not stay there. It wants to go to the points of doing things for no reason. And and and if there is a reason, send me an email and explain it to me because I sure as fuck don't get it. And I I've watched this movie fucking twice. Two fucking times. And that's too many times.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, just from the the plot summary I read through, which was long, by the way, and at some points went into detail that wasn't even necessary to begin with. It's like I can understand how it started out. It started out with the premise of, oh, this could be interesting, and then it very quickly devolved. It it it it went from climbing Mount Everest to rolling down it like Sonic the fucking hedgehog. In about three and a half seconds, just reading through that plot's memory. And like there's so many things in that film that I'm I'm at a lack of words on this point because it it's still messing with my head that that this is in a movie and this stuff is in this film, and I'm not gonna go into talking about it because I feel that's realistically crossing a line as well. But like I can I can you know, again, I can understand the standpoint of, oh, well, this country censors and that every country is different when it comes to uh their media, their ratings, uh what can be shown, what can't be shown. You know, but when you when you take it to the point of everything in my movie basically can't be shown in a movie, and I'm gonna make it into this movie and then release it to the public, not only have you crossed the line, but you are now in a dead sprint with it behind you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You're in a dead sprint running the wrong way. And again, I can I can understand the the you know, fight the man power. Yeah, I can get that too. And I'm not I'm not saying that that's something that this guy was doing. I'm on the line with you of man, why would you do this to begin with? There wasn't a point in it. Right.
SPEAKER_06And and that's like so there are, and and I will I will say this New French Extremist Cinema does a very good job of being absolutely fucking shocking, but still telling a story just without cutting away. Because the reality is we live in a world where sexual assaults happen, where murders happen, where rapes happen. We live in that world. Yeah, and when we are watching movies, we want to escape from that world. But movies like high tension, angst, which is German, um, irreversible, these movies are fucked up inside. These movies are fucked up and they show fucked up things, but they do it artistically, and they don't do it to be shocking, they do it to say, we are going to give you 90 minutes of an unflinching look at insert subject matter here, right? There is a way to be shocking and and not be perverse about it. And I know it's like, whoa, what the fuck? And I'm not even talking about like literal perversion. Like, who doesn't love naked people? Like, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about you. You know, it here's here's a here's a little story from a god to a slave. So one of my favorite bands, and their music is going to be exclusively featured throughout this episode. One of my favorite bands of all time is Guar. And I know out of the six people that listen, two of them are going, How the fuck are you gonna sit there and be like, this shit is bullshit, but you like guar? There's a difference, there's a major difference here. Guar is not perverse. Guar is not creating fetish content. Guar is making you take a characterized look at all the fucked up things in the world. When Dave Brocky, the original lead singer of Guar, before he passed away, way back, he wrote a song called The New Disease, and he wrote it because his brother was diagnosed with AIDS, and he needed a way to process it. And all, and I am not exaggerating here even slightly, all the members of GWAR, past and present, have been art students. So he wrote a song called The New Disease. No, the new plague. The new plague. I'm so sorry, the new plague. And the chorus is he's just a person with AIDS. And the the the biggest my my big takeaway is you have to talk it now, and you also have to remember this came out in like the super early nineties, so we weren't weren't really fully on board with how we view HIV AIDS now. It was still very archaic then. But you have a shocking metal band who come out dressed in costumes, spraying blood everywhere, singing about having AIDS. And and the the big line in the song is I'm gay and I'm proud. Now I want I want to point that out. That how many people in the 90s in the heavy metal space could be openly gay? Like this this wasn't Rob Halford wasn't that wasn't in Judas Priest at this time, but Tim Owens was. Because he was still closeted, even though we know now all of heavy metal style, denim and studs, and leather and chains, comes from gay BDSM culture. Yeah. All of it, all of it's gay. But how many metal bands did you have that you would have a club full of people and have them shouting at the same time, I'm gay and I'm proud. So some of those kids, some of those adults, whatever, are sitting there singing along because they they just like the song, they know the song. But some of those people there are getting to scream out loud, I'm gay and I'm proud, for the first time in their life. And all because Dave Brocky needed a way to process that his brother has this disease that is frowned upon. And I think I think that's I think that is beautiful. I think songs like El Presidente and The Salemanizer and Rock and Roll Never Felt So Good are and have a very valid place to exist because it's a charicature. If you went up to any of these people in Guar who I have met, I have spent time with these people, they're they aren't these characters and these songs that they portray. But I can't sit and say the same thing about Lucifer Valentine, who has had criminal charges pressed against him for assaulting people. Right. So I I do not believe in censorship. No, but I do believe that we should have a line where we say if we want to make a film that talks about rape or abortion or suicide, let's do it in a way that makes sense. Not to everybody, not to a million people, not to even ten people, but one. The person that's making the art, that's making the film, making the music, making the fucking whatever should have a reason. And it doesn't need to be digestible by everybody, and I get it, not everything is for everyone.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_06But creating shocking fetish content. For the sole reason of creating shocking fetish content, I don't feel is a reason.
SPEAKER_01No, I 100% agree with you. And I was actually listening to the uh Spotify playlist that you shared with me forever ago the other day at work. And uh I had actually never listened to Guar before, outside of hearing you talk about it. And so my first song by them was Ham on the Bone.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01And I'm just bopping around at work listening to this just magical nonsense. It was fantastic. But you know I'm poor with words in this scenario because it it's it really boils down to I'm I'm lost for words on how to even explain my comprehension of some of these things.
SPEAKER_06The movies or guardi?
SPEAKER_01Both no. Um the movies for sure. Like there's uh one of the movies in this list I went through and of course I read the plot summary. This movie actually sounds like a really interesting watch. It's still an extremely dark and fucked up premise. But reading through that plot summary, I'm going, damn, I actually want to watch this because this actually sounds like it could be a hell of a movie, because it's telling a story. It has a very clear and concise point that it's trying to get to. And I was like, And for those of you who care, uh the movie was inside, uh 2007 movie. Uh I won't give anything away, but it's dark. Um you know, I did some some reading on a couple of these other movies, and there's some some really jacked up shit that happened during the making of this movie. Uh Cannibal Holocaust was one of those movies. And they did some fucked shit behind the scenes of that movie. That I'm not uh I'm not gonna say that I care about what he said afterwards, but the director did come forward later and go, Yeah, we fucked up and we shouldn't have done that. We made a mistake and it shouldn't have happened. 100%. He I I've read through and saw the interview where he did say that. He was like looking back, yeah, it was bad. It was really bad and I shouldn't have done it. Is that a movie I'm gonna go watch? Nope.
SPEAKER_06Nope. And I've also seen Cannibal Holocaust.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And you know, like like I said, all but like three of the movies on this list, four of the movies on this list, I hadn't heard of. I didn't know existed. Now uh irreversible. Irreversibly, however we we want to say that. I am aware, I am aware of the director of that film because I've seen one of his other films. And that's Mr. Gaspar No. And he's got a very, very interesting way of telling his stories and and how he films his movies. Because you you you won't consume anything like one of his movies outside of him being the one that does it. And I'm not gonna name the other movie I saw because nobody needs to see that. It's it's not a it's not a horror, you know, like extremist film, but real Nobody needs to see that. If you wanna if you wanna know what it is, message me on Instagram. I'll tell you there. But no, I'm I'm I'm glad you brought this up. I am, because it's a really interesting subject matter from a consumerist standpoint, from a psychological standpoint, trying to understand and trying to make sense of why someone would go to the links that they did to put something like this into the world. Where is the line? Where do we draw it? What's acceptable, what's not? It's and it's something we had talked about before is uh Yes, censorship, criticism, uh movie ratings, stuff like that, they are different in every single individual country. Every country's rating system is different. And so some country the line is at six foot. Some countries the line's at three foot. Some countries you ain't even getting a step out the damn door. You know, because they have rules and regulations for a reason. So that movies like a Serbian film don't see the light of day. Because there's no reason for it.
SPEAKER_06When we live in the day and age we do now, it's easier to be able to create something. And I think that's good. But with great power comes great responsibility, right?
SPEAKER_01Absolutely.
SPEAKER_06And and and again, because it's so subjective. So when Texas Chainsaw Massacre came out, it was banned in Australia. You could not watch it, it was too violent, it was too bloody. I can tell you that there are only a handful of scenes of blood in Texas Chainsaw Massacre. It is pretty tame by today's standards, especially compared to the shit we're talking about today. Yeah. You could watch it on public access at this point, but what we consider suitable for censorship because we're trying to keep people who don't need to be seeing something from seeing it only go so far. Anybody who's watching anything on the internet, on TV, can find anything else. Anyone that's listening to this can immediately go, oh, okay, well, a Serbian film. Okay, I'm gonna watch this. Don't. I'm I'm telling you, there is nothing in 80% of these movies that are worth watching. I promise you there's nothing redeemable.
SPEAKER_03Um when you it's uh I what's it called?
SPEAKER_06The it's it's it's a fucking like a paradox of acceptance, right? You you want to say, okay, no censorship. You know, bands should be allowed to play what they want to play, movie makers should be allowed to make the movies they want to make, so on and so forth. And I agree to that. I I really truly do. If you want to make a fucking whatever, go for it. But there is gonna be a huge backlash when you come out with something that's just shock for the sake of shock with zero substance. And I think that's that's one of the things that like that actively makes me mad about things like this. Is there are people who will defend these movies like we're talking about Casablanca? If you create something, it is going to be scrutinized. It doesn't matter if it's the perfect movie, it doesn't matter if it's the perfect album. Out of a hundred people, 99 could love it. One of them is gonna say, This is fucking bullshit. And it's the same thing here. You can't make something and then bitch when people are like, I don't like this, or it does not serve a purpose. And I'll die on that hill. I I do not believe that shit like a Serbian film, August Underground, it does not serve a purpose, it does not show any sort of talent, it is a waste. Because it's doing nothing. And I know in previous episodes I've talked about how everything you consume is a different type of meal, right? Sometimes you want a steak, sometimes you want McDonald's. This isn't even fucking edible at this point. We're digging through the dress right at a fucking used needle surplus. Like there's not even anything here that could be mistaken for food. It's just shit. And and that isn't to say that like midnight movies, drive-in movies, schlock, things like this, they just exist. They they're not trying to prove anything, but they're also not trying to be shocking. They're they're not like and and this isn't a there's a difference between anything that we've mentioned and like a John Waters movie, right? John Waters is trying to say something. His he may have the the trashiest human beings alive in his films, but they're saying something. Hairspray has a story, pink flamingos has a story.
SPEAKER_02Like a bird gauge.
SPEAKER_06But dude, I I'm I I am I don't know. I just I think I think being allowed to create content unfettered does more harm because there are people who don't view this as something fictional, but see it as material that they themselves, exclusively themselves, can enjoy. I I worry about things like that because and you and you touched on it very I mean you hit it on the fucking head earlier. Some people are can sit down and watch everything through this list and more and go, okay, I want to fucking drink bleach now, but okay. And other people see it as a handbook. And and that's what I am the most concerned about is even even if the creator of Serbian film, and I just I don't know his name, and even if I did, I probably wouldn't be able to pronounce it. Even if the whole reason that he made this movie was personal experience, even if it was because the government told him that he couldn't, and he said, Fuck you, I do what I want. The problem is, is that you as an individual are responsible for what you put out. And I'm not one of those people that I'm like, oh yeah, man, if you listen to fucking Ozzy Osborne, you're gonna kill yourself because suicide solution. It's not that at all. But there are people who are not well, who are looking for a reason to justify their actions. And when they see somebody who makes a movie that very much mirrors the things that they want to do, and then they can go online and they can see a bunch of people who love this movie, allegedly, and some of those people share the same feelings of the things that they want to do. Okay, well, yeah, what the fuck do you do now? Because you just catered to people who want to rape and murder, and and in in some cases, specifically children. So and and I and I don't I don't want to sound like this is just the the tirade episode, because there there are good things to say here. French extremist cinema, it for the most part, it's good. Like inside is a really good movie, it's really hard to watch, and the premise is very simple. There is a pregnant woman home alone inside her house, and there is another woman outside who wants to get inside. Hour and a half of absolute bonkers bullshit, but it's an unflinching look at the bad shit that happens in the world. Movies don't have to have a happy ending to be a good movie. Personally, I like that. I like having a happy ending, but I don't need a movie to be nice, I don't need a movie to hold my hand, I don't need a movie to be rainbows and sunshine. You can make a movie like Terrifier, you can make a movie like Bone Tomahawk, or Irreversible, or Inside, or Martyrs, or just the list goes on. And Martyrs is a great one to touch on because it is an incredibly hard watch, but it's good, and I and and I'm again I am not an extreme horror person by any means, but horror martyrs 2008 specifically, and I have to make that distinguish this distinguishment, dis Whatever. Is the one if you're gonna watch, watch that one because there is a remake, an American remake, and it's shh shit. Oh, it's so bad. It it take it takes away the reason that martyrs is hard to watch, and then it just makes it nothing. And I'm like, okay, well, what the fuck is the point? The whole reason of martyrs, it's it's what it sounds like, by the way. But I don't know. I I think I think people are quick to say that things shouldn't exist because it just upsets them. I think things should exist, but there are repercussions for what you create, whether it's scrutinized or whether you're gonna have to sit down and testify to a court why this psychopath did these things and cites this movie and this community specifically in their manifesto. I don't know. Uh I I would like to think that maybe one day we can live in a world where we don't have to worry about things like that. I'm not saying we got a kid glove shit. Make the fucked up movies, make the shit that is unflinching, make the shit that makes you go, man, uh this is a subject matter I do not like to talk about, but here we are. And you don't even have to do it tastefully. Just have a reason, have a have a point, not just go, I'm going to make the most fucked up movie possible. Because when I was in the fifth grade, I didn't get invited to Susan's birthday party. Because that's really all it comes across as is, oh, you're just a fucking edgelord.
SPEAKER_01Like you're the good fine reason, by the way.
SPEAKER_00Okay. That bitch never invited me, and we were best friends.
SPEAKER_01God damn it. But all jokes aside, I get it. Absolutely. It's have a point, have the reason, don't just do it for the sake of doing it. Don't just do it, oh, I've got money and I can. That's not good enough.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. You know, there's uh there's a Japanese series called Guinea Pig. And of course, there's an American guinea pig series produced by Unearthed Films. Um but the the original Japanese, there's like five or six of them, I think. But the second one is notorious because it was particularly graphic, and the actor Charlie Sheen watched it and was convinced that people were actually filming murders, and he called the FBI and reported it to be investigated, and they did. They had to do, they investigated it. Again, I can't recommend it, but that's fucking funny. A Japanese horror movie I can recommend, Audition 1999. Holy shit, that is a good movie. That is, I did not know what it was when I put it on, and I my jaw was on the floor. I had never seen anything like this. Super, super good movie, and the director was highly influenced by Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Um again, if you're squeamish, don't watch it. It is every bit of Japanese extreme horror, and the Japanese already are very good at making things horrific.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_06So it's it's a good one, though. If you want to watch something, it's it's certainly a movie. But I think now is a good time to take a quick break. I am going to play you some guar while we go chill for a minute. We'll be back. Thank you again for tuning in to uh a a departure for sure. So in the in the first half, we talked about uh fucked up movies and whether or not they have anything to say if they actually serve a point. And coming back, I want to kinda again, I want to shift gears again into fucked up movies that do it right, that actually have something to say. And again, it this is purely my opinion, and I'm not in any way, shape, or form a professional. I just play one on TV. But there's a few movies here that I think are are fucked up but do it well. And the next movie I want to talk about is The Killing of a Sacred Deer from 2017. It is and the less you know going into it, the better. Um it is not an enjoyable movie, it is not a fun movie, um, but a a man is cursed and has to make a decision. And it is a wild fucking ride. Now, that wild ride is taking a roller coaster straight into a brick wall, but it is a ride. Um I don't necessarily want to say I recommend it, but for what it's trying to do, it is a very hard watch, but it does it with so much taste and eloquently. Um it's it's really, really a good if you're gonna watch a fucked up movie and you want it to be more drama than horror, definitely a a good, good movie to watch. Not not a good movie to watch, but if you're like, hey, I feel like fucking up my entire evening, that's the movie for you. The other person that I want to bring up is David Cronenberg, who is I would say probably the the master of body horror. And he has done the fly, video drome, society, um, and all of these are I guess I guess the they're they're parodies and allegories for humanity. And I think he just does such a great job of making things feel so disgusting and just gross and vile while still telling a story. And the special effects are out of this world great. I love Cronenberg movies and I really, really think I he is such a wide array of movies that I do feel like there is something there for everybody.
SPEAKER_01I was just looking at the list.
SPEAKER_06Which is Yeah, I I mean it's it's it is hit after hit for him. Don't get me wrong, there are some low points, but most of them are are really good.
SPEAKER_01See, when you mention, you know, director names and movie creator names, and it's funny that I'm gonna say this because I literally just went, oh right, the Bong June Ho movie, right? There's a reason I know that. Um I'm terrible with names. Um the only reason that I know who uh Bong June Ho is is because Ian Heacks, co-founder of Smosh, is a massive fan of his work, and that's how I learned about it. And learned about his music Parasite. I think there's one called Old Boy.
SPEAKER_06Uh Old Boy, I think, is hold on. I want to say that. It so it is a South Korean film, but it is Park Chan woo.
SPEAKER_00I was wrong.
SPEAKER_06Same country though.
SPEAKER_01But yeah, I mean I've heard a lot about Bonnie June Hall through the grave line, and from what I've read and what I've seen, he can make a hell of a movie too.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So I I wish that I could maintain some of the knowledge that you do when it comes to directors, writers, producers. But I have the memory of a goldfish. And unfortunately for me, that doesn't get very far.
SPEAKER_06So there's so I I think a lot of people like I think I think for a lot of people being able to like rattle off names and dates and shit like that is um I think it's I think it's cool, but where most people can tell you famous historical events. I I can tell you when Halloween came out. Like, I don't my brain is is full of of information that is generally speaking useless, but I find entertaining. I can tell you the data card for Orc War Boys, I can tell you how many mana it costs for mesmeric orb. I can tell you the countries that Texas Chainsaw Massacre was banned in. Um I I could tell you most serial killers last meal. I could not tell you when the Battle of San Jacinto was. So there's that.
SPEAKER_01We do talk about it's useless information, but I'd argue against that, that it's not useless information. Because it's useful to you. I mean it's and there are people out there that it is useful for, myself included.
SPEAKER_06I mean, it is it is helpful that I have that kind of information. Uh, and we have a podcast that we talk about shit like this.
SPEAKER_05So, you know, I've gotta find a way to make money off of this. It's just too good.
SPEAKER_01My my stupid human trick is remembering where that one treasure chest is in a video game that nobody else remembers, and remembering uh cheat codes for Genesis games. That's my stupid human trick. You want all the uh Chaos Emeralds in Sonic the Hedgehog 2? I got you. You want to be able to do level select? I got you there too.
SPEAKER_06What if I want 99 lives in Earthworm Gym 2? I didn't play two.
SPEAKER_01I'm a thumb bag and I didn't play two. Plus you don't cheat at Earthworm Gym. Earthworm Gym is easy. Not for me. I love Earthworm Gym. I play through that casually just because I can.
SPEAKER_06I'm horrible at video games. We've played games before. I fucking suck. That's about all I got. But I don't know important historical dates, I suck at video games, but god damn it, I can tell you some fucking horror movie facts.
SPEAKER_01Everybody's got that thing. Mine happens to be. I mean, that's true. Video game cheat codes and numbers at work. It's a gift, it's a curse.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I mean that's that's that's why I I'm in IT. Shout out to all my IT guys. But yeah. Yeah, I can't I can't do almost anything that would be important for a productive member of society. But I can I can tell you how to embalm a body.
SPEAKER_01So that's gonna be useful at some point.
SPEAKER_06Well, I mean, for somebody who that's their profession, I I don't think they're gonna just let some random fat fuck roll up to the funeral home and get arm deep in some cadavers.
SPEAKER_05I mean maybe in Texas. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Because I mean things are things are different.
SPEAKER_05I mean, our standards are pretty low. Look at our governor. I'm leaving it in.
SPEAKER_06I am. I'm leaving that the fuck in. Oh. But yeah, there there is, I feel there's a right way to handle disturbing and fucked up content. And and I do think it has its place. Um and I'm not saying that I'm the be-all end all critic of what should or should not be allowed, but there's a a certain point that you have to realize that you are responsible for the things that you put out. And while somebody, you know, making I don't know, August Underground thought, oh, this is just gonna be a funny, fucked up thing, and it's not meant to be taken seriously, and they don't want it to be taken seriously, and they release it, and then the shit happens. I don't know. I don't I don't know the production stories of most of these movies just because these aren't things that I like, so I don't want to spend time learning about them. Granted, there is a documentary that Unearthed Films put out called a Serbian documentary about a Serbian film. Now, I don't know what all that entails. I don't know if it's just about the notoriety or if it's about the making of. I have no idea. But there will will I end up looking into these? Absolutely, I will, out of morbid curiosity and out of wanting to understand. I again, I don't think anybody at the core is trying to make something malicious. But I think the problem really lies in who were you making this for? Was there when and when I say malicious intent, I mean it in a sense of when you had a particular audience in mind, were you making fetish content for them, or were you making something fucked up for the sake of being fucked up? And then what is the creator's responsibility after this thing has been released into the wild, and what happens if somebody does something fucked up because of it? And I know there's no way to predict that. And because of that, I don't think that we should stop things from existing. You know, I I again I don't I don't know why the director and writer of a Serbian film made the movie he made. And it he could say it's for whatever reason. And I would I would love to to sit down and and have him explain to me. I assume it's a he. I I have no idea um why he made a movie like that. Um even honestly, I would I would sit down with anybody and talk to them except for Lucifer Valentine because he's just a legitimate piece of shit. And he only made the movies he made because he wanted to record his antics. And and if you love those movies, I'm fucking sorry. We are not the podcast for you. But um, but I I I don't I I think I think movies that are fucked up and push the boundaries of what is acceptable in in in media, and I say that because it's not technically cinema anymore, but I I think people need to continuously push because if we look back into the 20s and 30s, the movie Freaks was was a banned movie, it was heavily censored because it was too much. Universal's Frankenstein was banned and censored because it was too much. And look how tame those entire films are compared to any movie now, and we don't it doesn't even have to be a horror movie. Just pick a uh shit, compare any movie from the 30s to Clark.
SPEAKER_01I was literally gonna say Kevin Clark 2 back. To the 30s and watch people's heads explode.
SPEAKER_06They would absolute first off, they'd be like, what the fuck is Lord of the Rings? Then they I mean it's you we have to continue to push and to evolve and and realize that the the moral majority is a sliding scale. It it evolves, it moves as we progress. What was awful and taboo and off limits, like two people of the same gender kissing, now is a normal everyday thing, and nobody thinks otherwise. Or at least no healthy human being doesn't think anything of it. It's people kissing. Now, me personally, I don't want to watch anybody kissing because I am at Tom Thumb, what the fuck are you doing in front of my Oreos? But um there's a there's a genre of of book called Splatterpunk, which is just you take violence and gore and the shit that you shouldn't be writing about, and you turn it to eleven, and you go full bore for 200 pages. And I've read several of Aaron Beauregard, if I'm remembering his name correctly. I've read several of his books purely out of morbid curiosity, and I was like, fuck, this is so gross and so awful. But it is doing what it says on the tin. It is pushing the boundaries of what is comfortable, it's pushing the boundaries of what you would think could be printed. And I think that's important. Toby Hooper wanted to push the boundaries of movies when he made Texas Chainsaw Massacre. David Cronenberg pushed what a horror movie could be based on the themes. John Carpenter wanted to make a movie with a completely different vibe to the slasher genre. And even these things may or may not have content that we find shocking or inappropriate, but it's about moving forward. Because if we become stagnant, then we lose all creativity. And then we start with 30 Marvel movies a year and remakes and direct to TV sequels, Pumpkinhead 2. Nobody wants that. But not anymore. No. Um and and so I just I don't want I don't want creativity stagnation. Creativeness stagnation, however the fuck you would phrase that. And even if that means that we have to endure a August Underground for every Texas Chainsaw Massacre for every scream, for every hereditary, for every Mandy, then I think it's worth it. And I I don't think, and I and I just I don't know if anybody outside of the French extremist movement has gone on to make something else outside of their original shocking debut. Like I don't think the guys who did August Underground went to make the life of Pie, but I I think that even if you don't like something, even if it's as fucked up and disgusting as a Serbian film, the fact of the matter is we're talking about it. People know the name. And because that type of movie exists, that gives somebody else a chance to say, okay, I want to make a movie that's fucked up, but fucked up because it's a serial killer who kills people with a blender. But not the way you think. You never know. You never know what what some what somebody else's creation can inspire in somebody, good or bad. With great power comes great responsibility. So I think that is a good place to end things. If you are a creator, if you are trying to make a movie, write a book, write an album, do it. Do not care what anybody thinks, especially the opinions of two fucking randos in a closet in the middle of Texas. Make your thing and do it unapologetically. But understand that you cannot control the response once you release it into the wild. So with that, Andrew, do you have any advice for us today?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think I've got something for you.
SPEAKER_01on the run from someone trying to kill you. Just remember one thing. You don't have to outrun him. You just have to be faster than the slowest person in the group. Good night.
SPEAKER_06Well, I'm dying first. So like I always say, be good to yourselves, be good to each other. But most importantly, keep it creepy.